Hezo Kittie

Crazy is like being on the bus with Bryan without CD players. That shit is crazy.

2:21:16 AM bryanbrochill: heres a serious question
2:21:41 AM bryanbrochill: do you think that, given an endless amount of time, a monkey pounding on a keyboard would create romeo and juliet?
2:22:17 AM Kevin: endless: (adj.) infinity
2:22:17 AM Kevin: yes
2:22:32 AM bryanbrochill: i think that given a literal infinite amount of time it would still never happen
2:22:36 AM bryanbrochill: ever
2:22:44 AM bryanbrochill: time would go on infinitely and it would never happen
2:22:50 AM bryanbrochill: weird to comprehend
2:22:52 AM bryanbrochill: but i think so
2:23:09 AM Kevin: so its not possible for him to hit the keys exactly stroke for stroke to romeo and juliet?
2:23:12 AM bryanbrochill: right
2:23:15 AM bryanbrochill: i dont think so
2:23:16 AM Kevin: haha that sounds stupid to even ask
2:23:25 AM bryanbrochill: no its not
2:23:27 AM bryanbrochill: it would never happen
2:23:29 AM Kevin: but i disagree because of the word 'infinite'
2:23:29 AM bryanbrochill: ever
2:23:41 AM bryanbrochill: we have the same conception of the word infinite and we disagree
2:24:04 AM bryanbrochill: it would never, ever, ever happen
2:24:05 AM Kevin: is it possible
2:24:09 AM Kevin: for a monkey
2:24:19 AM Kevin: nevermind
2:24:29 AM Kevin: im thinking of it more abstractly
2:24:36 AM Kevin: your way makes sense
2:24:36 AM bryanbrochill: we are thinking of it the same way
2:24:37 AM Kevin: ill break it down
2:24:40 AM bryanbrochill: and we disagree
2:24:42 AM Kevin: the way I think of it was
2:24:45 AM Kevin: I thought of it was
2:25:09 AM Kevin: "If a random key generator was to generate a completely random key every second for infinity, would it eventually have a string equal to the play Romeo and Juliet?"
2:25:37 AM bryanbrochill: ok
2:25:39 AM Kevin: if it was a mokney
2:25:42 AM Kevin: he might hit two keys at once
2:25:45 AM bryanbrochill: is that the "wrong" way to think about it?
2:25:45 AM Kevin: which complicates things
2:25:48 AM bryanbrochill: hm
2:26:14 AM bryanbrochill: if a random key generator did it, it would, by the very essence of its existence, ultimately HAVE to do it
2:26:25 AM Kevin: yeah
2:26:35 AM bryanbrochill: because it could, through infinity, type out every single possible string of letters
2:26:40 AM bryanbrochill: thats a cheating cop out
2:26:43 AM Kevin: ?
2:26:47 AM Kevin: its a hypothetical question
2:26:51 AM Kevin: you definite your assumptions
2:26:56 AM Kevin: and come to a conclusion
2:27:09 AM Kevin: this is so far removed from the real world by the nature of the word 'endless'
2:27:11 AM bryanbrochill: its not a hypothetical at all. its a statement of fact based on what a random key generator is intrinsically
2:27:42 AM bryanbrochill: a random key generator WILL, no matter what, ultimately type out every single given string of letters if given enough time
2:27:52 AM bryanbrochill: no matter what
2:27:53 AM Kevin: how come a monkey cant do that
2:28:04 AM Kevin: wait
2:28:14 AM Kevin: i didnt definite random key generator
2:28:20 AM bryanbrochill: you dont have to
2:28:22 AM Kevin: no i do
2:28:24 AM bryanbrochill: a random key generator is what it is
2:28:48 AM Kevin: every punctuation and lower and upper case letter and space and number (in english) is accounted
2:28:50 AM Kevin: its about 120 characters
2:28:57 AM bryanbrochill: yes
2:29:02 AM Kevin: a random key generator is, for the next key, there is an EQUAL chance that ANY character can be chosen
2:29:13 AM Kevin: including the previous key
2:29:16 AM bryanbrochill: yea, but after it has done a combination it wont do it again
2:29:19 AM Kevin: nope
2:29:22 AM Kevin: it can
2:29:25 AM bryanbrochill: ok then
2:29:27 AM bryanbrochill: in that case
2:29:28 AM Kevin: it can do aaaaaaaaaaaaa
2:29:33 AM bryanbrochill: your version of the rkg will never do it
2:29:35 AM Kevin: it doesnt have to do acdbef
2:29:51 AM bryanbrochill: the version that will not repeat a previous combination will
2:29:53 AM bryanbrochill: if given enough time
2:30:07 AM Kevin: that version is not a RKG
2:30:16 AM bryanbrochill: ok youre right
2:30:27 AM Kevin: ok
2:30:29 AM Kevin: think about it this way
2:30:31 AM Kevin: im not twisting it
2:30:33 AM Kevin: just elaborating
2:30:42 AM Kevin: the first letter in romeo and juliet is 'A'
2:30:50 AM Kevin: the chance of 'A' is 1 out of 120
2:30:56 AM Kevin: the second letter is ' ' also known as space
2:31:00 AM Kevin: the chance of ' ' is 1 out of 120
2:31:30 AM Kevin: the chance of getting both those characters right in a row is 1 out of 14400
2:31:39 AM bryanbrochill: based on that definition of an RKG, the mathematical probability of romeo and juliet being produced is an impossibility
2:31:44 AM Kevin: nope
2:31:46 AM bryanbrochill: yes
2:31:49 AM bryanbrochill: impossible
2:31:52 AM bryanbrochill: mathematically speaking
2:31:58 AM Kevin: ok you're stepping on my terrain now
2:32:03 AM Kevin: its on like DK homeboy
2:32:09 AM Kevin: there is very simple right and wrongs in pure math
2:32:24 AM bryanbrochill: ok so do something for me then
2:32:34 AM Kevin: romeo and juliet
2:32:34 AM Kevin: has
2:32:36 AM Kevin: say
2:32:38 AM bryanbrochill: pretend there are only 1000 characters in randJ
2:32:40 AM Kevin: 500,000 characters
2:32:42 AM bryanbrochill: lol
2:32:43 AM bryanbrochill: yea
2:32:47 AM bryanbrochill: do the calcuations for 500000
2:32:47 AM Kevin: thats a lot of characters
2:32:52 AM Kevin: the chance of getting
2:32:55 AM Kevin: ALL of htose RIGHT
2:32:56 AM Kevin: in a ROW
2:32:56 AM bryanbrochill: based on the numbers you just came up with
2:33:01 AM Kevin: is
2:33:07 AM bryanbrochill: is a mathematical impssibility
2:33:18 AM Kevin: 1 out of 120^50000
2:33:29 AM Kevin: 120^50000 is NOT an infinite number
2:33:34 AM bryanbrochill: it is impossible
2:33:35 AM bryanbrochill: lol
2:33:38 AM bryanbrochill: cmon
2:33:42 AM Kevin: do you know what impossible means?
2:33:44 AM bryanbrochill: yes
2:33:44 AM bryanbrochill: i do
2:33:46 AM Kevin: its unreasonable yeah
2:33:48 AM bryanbrochill: o
2:33:49 AM bryanbrochill: no
2:33:51 AM Kevin: improbable
2:33:55 AM bryanbrochill: impossible
2:33:59 AM Kevin: impossible means
2:34:02 AM Kevin: there is no possibility
2:34:09 AM Kevin: meaning there is 0 chance
2:34:15 AM Kevin: there is actually
2:34:16 AM Kevin: 1 chance
2:34:26 AM Kevin: out of 120^50000
2:34:30 AM bryanbrochill: do the actual calulations
2:34:39 AM bryanbrochill: lol how many characters are there in romeo and juliet?
2:34:44 AM Kevin: thats not the point
2:34:44 AM bryanbrochill: the point is
2:34:45 AM Kevin: the point is
2:34:48 AM Kevin: romeo and juliet terminates
2:34:55 AM Kevin: it is a limited string of characters
2:34:57 AM Kevin: if you give a computer
2:34:59 AM Kevin: UNLIMITED TRIES
2:35:07 AM Kevin: for ALL ETERNITY
2:35:11 AM Kevin: it HAS a chance
2:35:15 AM bryanbrochill: hm
2:35:20 AM Kevin: if you give it one roll of the die and you asked me to put money on it?
2:35:25 AM Kevin: haha you kiddin me? of course its not going to hit
2:35:47 AM bryanbrochill: if you want to be overly technical to the point of me basically admitting something i dont believe would ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be true
2:35:53 AM bryanbrochill: sure
2:35:58 AM Kevin: if you gave the eternal monkey unlimited rolls of the die for all eternity? he has a chance of hitting
2:36:06 AM bryanbrochill: i think that those odds are still considered mathematically impossible
2:36:06 AM Kevin: its not overly technical
2:36:11 AM bryanbrochill: yes it is
2:36:20 AM bryanbrochill: because we both know in our heart of hearts it would never happen
2:36:22 AM Kevin: wait
2:36:28 AM Kevin: say
2:36:29 AM Kevin: you gave me
2:36:34 AM Kevin: twenty million years
2:36:38 AM Kevin: to roll this dice
2:36:48 AM Kevin: and i only have a 1 out of 120^50000 chance of getting the right combination
2:36:54 AM Kevin: and i got to roll like
2:36:56 AM Kevin: 50 times a second
2:37:04 AM Kevin: i'd say it'd never ever happen
2:37:06 AM bryanbrochill: lol
2:37:06 AM Kevin: theres no way it would happen
2:37:18 AM bryanbrochill: youd say that?
2:37:21 AM Kevin: yup
2:37:23 AM bryanbrochill: ok then
2:37:29 AM Kevin: if you gave me infinity years
2:37:29 AM bryanbrochill: what are we in disagreement on?
2:37:33 AM Kevin: i'd put all my money on it
2:37:39 AM Kevin: trust me on this one
2:37:42 AM bryanbrochill: but weve never had infinity years
2:37:49 AM Kevin: ? you said endless in the question?
2:37:49 AM bryanbrochill: infinity has never come into the equation in real life
2:38:05 AM bryanbrochill: in the real world, infinity has never existed
2:38:14 AM Kevin: the first thing I clarified with you
2:38:19 AM Kevin: before this discussion
2:38:23 AM Kevin: is that endless is and adjective for infinity
2:38:31 AM bryanbrochill: yea it is
2:38:40 AM bryanbrochill: in that completely theoretical scenario
2:38:49 AM bryanbrochill: now we're coming out of that nonsense
2:38:57 AM bryanbrochill: and looking at the real world
2:39:00 AM bryanbrochill: where infinity doesnt exist
2:39:03 AM Kevin: ok we agree
2:39:09 AM bryanbrochill: and never has, especially in terms of allowing time for something to happen
2:39:29 AM Kevin: no such thing as infinity
2:39:33 AM bryanbrochill: in our conception of existence (space, time, etc.)
2:39:42 AM bryanbrochill: well there may be SUCH THING
2:39:46 AM bryanbrochill: it has just never happened
2:40:05 AM Kevin: you're adding all these disclaimers after the fact though
2:40:13 AM bryanbrochill: there may be such thing as a blue giraffe
2:40:16 AM bryanbrochill: it has just never happened
2:40:17 AM Kevin: i just wasted a bunch of pointless explanation
2:40:22 AM bryanbrochill: lol
2:40:24 AM bryanbrochill: it wasnt pointless
2:40:30 AM bryanbrochill: it just happens to not have relevance to real life
2:40:30 AM Kevin: it was pretty pointless
2:40:46 AM Kevin: i was making a case for a situation that you didn't propose
2:40:46 AM bryanbrochill: its not applicable to our situation
2:40:49 AM bryanbrochill: that was my fault
2:40:54 AM bryanbrochill: right
2:40:54 AM bryanbrochill: yea
2:41:00 AM bryanbrochill: ok so forgetting that
2:41:01 AM Kevin: how is that not pointless
2:41:05 AM Kevin: we already agree
2:41:16 AM Kevin: give a monkey 20 million years to bash a keyboard and he'll never type romeo and juliet
2:41:20 AM bryanbrochill: it had a point in the fact that it can be used to consider a different situations
2:41:34 AM bryanbrochill: just not this situation
2:41:35 AM bryanbrochill: yea
2:41:37 AM bryanbrochill: he never will
2:41:54 AM Kevin: anyway

This kind of shit went on for like three hours